What it means when Western establishments sound like a new, Judaic Inquisition, and how this passtime should be taken as an attempt to build the image of Jews as superhuman
Thank you for this video Alon. Listening to this reminded me of my mother. Her dialogue always included the word meshuga- which we know means crazy, lunatic, odd, non understandable. She used the word towards others, me, my father, etc & for all things she did not understand -very often. Whatever was beyond her understanding or ideology of right vs wrong was meshuga. Early on I realized the labeling judgmental context she used was a coming from a supremacist mind frame. She thought she was above all others & everyone else was crazy. This is exactly what youโve described here. I can completely understand this.
Thank you for that fascinating discussion... it certainly has been beyond my comprehension watching and listening to politicians and media use 'antisemitism' against peaceful, sane, non racist, people!
I have been thinking it was just all part of the projection campaign that Israel pushes out.. everything they accuse others, actually describes them so uniquely- they hold a mirror up,look at the image bit don't see themselves, they see the enemy... ironicly, they are the enemy ... is it. A form of narcissism?? Anyway I appreciate this discussion.. it's alarming on a large scale and is now entering daily conversations with everyday people...
We can say that Antisemitism is a subcategory of racism. Racism ranging from 'I do not like my neighbour because he cooks funny food' to 'People of a specific religion should be exterminated because they are responsible for all the ills in the world' to 'All Muslims are terrorists'.
Thus Islamophobia being another subcategory of racism. And on the same level of Antisemitism.
Except, of course, if one puts Antisemitism ABOVE Islamophobia because, like you say, Jews are super human.
A lot of Evangelical Christians support Israel because they think its establishment is a precondition for the Second Coming of Jesus.
In the popular (a few decades ago) Left Behind series, a Greater Israel with Solomonic borders is established before the first events of the books (Russia decides to attack Israel because biblical prophecy says so, and all Real Christian Believers (& all children) are teleported to Heaven.
Evangelical Christian Zionists see Jewish Zionists as means to an end, and vice versa, and some are truly Antisemitic.
Thought provoking video and it certainly is a huge topic to cover. A big problem is that people are unable to agree on what is a fair and appropriate definition of antisemitism. Perhaps, in recent years, there has been some controversy over what exactly constitutes other forms of discrimination but those debates have been nowhere near as divisive and highly politicised as the A/S debate. The result of this lack of agreed upon definition is that left wing politicians can be accused of being antisemitic and possibly cancelled, even though a different definition would mean they would still have important roles in politics and be able to effect change. This has led to many people becoming politically disenfranchised/their voice on the political stage taken away because their preferred leaders have been cancelled for what many would argue were spurious accusations.
I remember an interview with Norman Finkelstein where he spoke of how the British left would be angry that their preferred political leader was removed in such a way for what he inferred were false accusations. People on the left are angry at what was done, but that anger is directed towards the situation and never generalised onto a whole people group as not sinking to racism and pre-judging is one of the core, non-negotiable values of the left. The problem with definitions is the question of who has the ultimate say on how something is defined. So far, the answer seems to be that it is the most powerful and richest people in society (included in this statement are people of all different religions and political persuasions) who get to define things. As long as this is the case, there will never be anything even approaching fairness in our societies or the world overall.
I don't agree with this analysis. The left has bo problem with directing anger at groups - they supported al of America's colonial wars. and they continue to support Israel. They have a problem dealing with this one specific argument
When saying 'left' I was referring to the traditional left of the antiwar, pro-unions movement. Definitely not what the left has morphed into today which is centrist, slavishly fixated on identity politics and supporting any war that the corporate, liberal-left media tells them to support. Jeremy Corbyn was leading a resurgence of primarily traditional left values which is why he was such a threat to the security/pro-war state. I should've been clearer in what my definition of 'left' is, especially as the importance of things being correctly defined (and the need for a clear definition of antisemitism) was the central point I was trying to make!
A timely focus on extremely relevant topic: Jewish power, criminality, identity, nationality & religion. The mysteries around this "topic" certainly are very helpful to the owners of the elite club that rules us. I think the general western public of (1) non-Jews are mega-worried of being controlled by Jews.
while (2) ordinary Jews are mega-fearful of the goyim being so worried as per (1) above.
Clearly both Jews and non-Jews have been toyed with here for considerable amount of time.
Corrupt Jewish leadership have been neglecting this while all the efforts went towards building a new Jewish Sparta in Middle East. Also, criminals from the West are involved in this conspiracy of silence and prolonged maintenance of this state of affairs.
The practice of letting ordinary folk wallow in ignorance and suspicion towards each other makes a lot of sense from the standpoint of our overlords from the higher echelons of our int'l mafia.
I'd love to be wrong on this, but I'm very much afraid that all the feuds that we have as a huge human family are being stoked and that we'll do some terrible things to each other before this chapter of human history comes to a close -- and that at the end of it no one will be able to say that they were the good guys.
About antisemitism, my impression is that it is very much a European sin -- or rather a Christian sin (some of the Church Fathers dealt abominably with the Jews -- and certainly spoke abominably). A sin of the Christian East as well as the Christian West. And then many many years later there was of course the inevitable consequence of viewing people this way. If there are any scholars here to correct me, please do so, but I gather that in the Islamic world, whatever antipathy there may have been for non-Muslims, Jews were not viewed as scum of the earth or rotten through and through (maybe because Muslims, in varying degrees, accept the legitimacy of previous revelations, or maybe because no Muslim could accuse the Jews of being Christ killers, or maybe because non-Muslims were a source of revenue for the state?). But certainly anti-Jewish sentiments have either been exported to the Muslim world or encouraged, especially since Israel became such a thing. One of the many sad, horrible realities is that the Western Christian world, having learned the lesson that the Jews are not to be regarded as subhuman, have not been good scholars: they learned that in this particular instance it's bad to throw people into gas chambers, but didn't derive the general principle that it's bad to do it to any group of people. The Jews were not the sole victims of the Holocaust. Most of us can recite the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis, but can we do the same for the Romani?
Anyway, but with this genocide, yes, sadly -- and wrongly -- many people, some of them Muslims, but non-Muslims too, regular latte drinking white guys, regular latte drinking white girls are beginning to speak of Jews in a way that is, frankly, disgusting. And it doesn't help. It doesn't help the Palestinian cause, it doesn't help any cause. It's understandable why they have come to feel this way. But for me, it's just another tragedy. Layer upon layer of tragedy. Unfortunately, evil breeds like anything. I don't personally see any road ahead other than collective repentance (repentance as action and not just words, repentance as commitment to being and doing better, repentance as a long,hard look in the mirror).
I'm sorry, this is very long. This is the point at which my mother would shake her head and explain to everyone "her grandfather was a preacher."
I'm constantly needing to correct people who claim that Jewish people are responsible for the genocide by telling them it's Zionism and Zionists that are the problem. Zionism itself is antisemitic. The Zionists stabbed the Jewish people in the back during WWII. They worked hand in glove with the Nazis.
Zionism literally relies on fabricating anti-Semitism. If it wasn't already obvious before Amsterdam they demonstrated they are inept as well as genocidal psychopaths with no regard for anything other than their deluded sense of self-importance and exacting sadistic torment on innocents.
That it does and that's why Zionists are a very real threat to non Zionist Jews. Lacking critical thinking skills will certainly make one inept. That's why psychopaths will always self destruct. Unfortunately they take a lot of people down with them๐
I understand the distinction and the need to make it, but there can be very little denying that the Jewish collective overwhelmingly supported the genocide
Maybe the Jewish Zionist collective in Israel but I've seen many Jewish people speaking out against the genocide. Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jewish.There are lots of Christian Zionists. Mike Huckabee being one of them๐คฎ He's truly a vile creature. Oh, Biden is also an avowed Zionist.
The powerful Jews in the US overwhelmingly support it and do all they can to silence and slander Jews who protest it. The forthcoming administration is so pro-Israel that criticizing Israel may be treated as bordering on treason.
My personal experience as an Israeli born raised Zionist โJewโ, is that the religion itself, Judaism, creates a superiority & supremacy status within its ideology. I felt this as a very young child which was why I distanced myself from it at a very early age & now do not affiliate with Judaism.
This is exactly my understanding- that the religion of Judaism itself, based on the Torah and Talmud, distinguishes Jews to be the superior human race while the rest of humanity are viewed as non human cattle and slaves. Never mind the horrific and disgusting things they write about Jesus and Mary in these books. How can these teachings be justified as legitimate to the rest of human society?
Anti-Semitism just means hatred of ALL JEWS JUST FOR BEING JEWISH. Nothing more.
Absolutely. I am even writing a book on it!!!
Thank you for this video Alon. Listening to this reminded me of my mother. Her dialogue always included the word meshuga- which we know means crazy, lunatic, odd, non understandable. She used the word towards others, me, my father, etc & for all things she did not understand -very often. Whatever was beyond her understanding or ideology of right vs wrong was meshuga. Early on I realized the labeling judgmental context she used was a coming from a supremacist mind frame. She thought she was above all others & everyone else was crazy. This is exactly what youโve described here. I can completely understand this.
Thank you for that fascinating discussion... it certainly has been beyond my comprehension watching and listening to politicians and media use 'antisemitism' against peaceful, sane, non racist, people!
I have been thinking it was just all part of the projection campaign that Israel pushes out.. everything they accuse others, actually describes them so uniquely- they hold a mirror up,look at the image bit don't see themselves, they see the enemy... ironicly, they are the enemy ... is it. A form of narcissism?? Anyway I appreciate this discussion.. it's alarming on a large scale and is now entering daily conversations with everyday people...
Sociological thoughts:
We can say that Antisemitism is a subcategory of racism. Racism ranging from 'I do not like my neighbour because he cooks funny food' to 'People of a specific religion should be exterminated because they are responsible for all the ills in the world' to 'All Muslims are terrorists'.
Thus Islamophobia being another subcategory of racism. And on the same level of Antisemitism.
Except, of course, if one puts Antisemitism ABOVE Islamophobia because, like you say, Jews are super human.
Again, just thoughts.
That's an accurate assessment.
A lot of Evangelical Christians support Israel because they think its establishment is a precondition for the Second Coming of Jesus.
In the popular (a few decades ago) Left Behind series, a Greater Israel with Solomonic borders is established before the first events of the books (Russia decides to attack Israel because biblical prophecy says so, and all Real Christian Believers (& all children) are teleported to Heaven.
Evangelical Christian Zionists see Jewish Zionists as means to an end, and vice versa, and some are truly Antisemitic.
This is truly one of the most fascinating forms of uniquely American psychosis
Thought provoking video and it certainly is a huge topic to cover. A big problem is that people are unable to agree on what is a fair and appropriate definition of antisemitism. Perhaps, in recent years, there has been some controversy over what exactly constitutes other forms of discrimination but those debates have been nowhere near as divisive and highly politicised as the A/S debate. The result of this lack of agreed upon definition is that left wing politicians can be accused of being antisemitic and possibly cancelled, even though a different definition would mean they would still have important roles in politics and be able to effect change. This has led to many people becoming politically disenfranchised/their voice on the political stage taken away because their preferred leaders have been cancelled for what many would argue were spurious accusations.
I remember an interview with Norman Finkelstein where he spoke of how the British left would be angry that their preferred political leader was removed in such a way for what he inferred were false accusations. People on the left are angry at what was done, but that anger is directed towards the situation and never generalised onto a whole people group as not sinking to racism and pre-judging is one of the core, non-negotiable values of the left. The problem with definitions is the question of who has the ultimate say on how something is defined. So far, the answer seems to be that it is the most powerful and richest people in society (included in this statement are people of all different religions and political persuasions) who get to define things. As long as this is the case, there will never be anything even approaching fairness in our societies or the world overall.
I don't agree with this analysis. The left has bo problem with directing anger at groups - they supported al of America's colonial wars. and they continue to support Israel. They have a problem dealing with this one specific argument
When saying 'left' I was referring to the traditional left of the antiwar, pro-unions movement. Definitely not what the left has morphed into today which is centrist, slavishly fixated on identity politics and supporting any war that the corporate, liberal-left media tells them to support. Jeremy Corbyn was leading a resurgence of primarily traditional left values which is why he was such a threat to the security/pro-war state. I should've been clearer in what my definition of 'left' is, especially as the importance of things being correctly defined (and the need for a clear definition of antisemitism) was the central point I was trying to make!
A timely focus on extremely relevant topic: Jewish power, criminality, identity, nationality & religion. The mysteries around this "topic" certainly are very helpful to the owners of the elite club that rules us. I think the general western public of (1) non-Jews are mega-worried of being controlled by Jews.
while (2) ordinary Jews are mega-fearful of the goyim being so worried as per (1) above.
Clearly both Jews and non-Jews have been toyed with here for considerable amount of time.
Corrupt Jewish leadership have been neglecting this while all the efforts went towards building a new Jewish Sparta in Middle East. Also, criminals from the West are involved in this conspiracy of silence and prolonged maintenance of this state of affairs.
The practice of letting ordinary folk wallow in ignorance and suspicion towards each other makes a lot of sense from the standpoint of our overlords from the higher echelons of our int'l mafia.
I'd love to be wrong on this, but I'm very much afraid that all the feuds that we have as a huge human family are being stoked and that we'll do some terrible things to each other before this chapter of human history comes to a close -- and that at the end of it no one will be able to say that they were the good guys.
About antisemitism, my impression is that it is very much a European sin -- or rather a Christian sin (some of the Church Fathers dealt abominably with the Jews -- and certainly spoke abominably). A sin of the Christian East as well as the Christian West. And then many many years later there was of course the inevitable consequence of viewing people this way. If there are any scholars here to correct me, please do so, but I gather that in the Islamic world, whatever antipathy there may have been for non-Muslims, Jews were not viewed as scum of the earth or rotten through and through (maybe because Muslims, in varying degrees, accept the legitimacy of previous revelations, or maybe because no Muslim could accuse the Jews of being Christ killers, or maybe because non-Muslims were a source of revenue for the state?). But certainly anti-Jewish sentiments have either been exported to the Muslim world or encouraged, especially since Israel became such a thing. One of the many sad, horrible realities is that the Western Christian world, having learned the lesson that the Jews are not to be regarded as subhuman, have not been good scholars: they learned that in this particular instance it's bad to throw people into gas chambers, but didn't derive the general principle that it's bad to do it to any group of people. The Jews were not the sole victims of the Holocaust. Most of us can recite the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis, but can we do the same for the Romani?
Anyway, but with this genocide, yes, sadly -- and wrongly -- many people, some of them Muslims, but non-Muslims too, regular latte drinking white guys, regular latte drinking white girls are beginning to speak of Jews in a way that is, frankly, disgusting. And it doesn't help. It doesn't help the Palestinian cause, it doesn't help any cause. It's understandable why they have come to feel this way. But for me, it's just another tragedy. Layer upon layer of tragedy. Unfortunately, evil breeds like anything. I don't personally see any road ahead other than collective repentance (repentance as action and not just words, repentance as commitment to being and doing better, repentance as a long,hard look in the mirror).
I'm sorry, this is very long. This is the point at which my mother would shake her head and explain to everyone "her grandfather was a preacher."
https://open.substack.com/pub/anniegottlieb/p/untitled?r=16gkv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
I'm constantly needing to correct people who claim that Jewish people are responsible for the genocide by telling them it's Zionism and Zionists that are the problem. Zionism itself is antisemitic. The Zionists stabbed the Jewish people in the back during WWII. They worked hand in glove with the Nazis.
Zionism literally relies on fabricating anti-Semitism. If it wasn't already obvious before Amsterdam they demonstrated they are inept as well as genocidal psychopaths with no regard for anything other than their deluded sense of self-importance and exacting sadistic torment on innocents.
That it does and that's why Zionists are a very real threat to non Zionist Jews. Lacking critical thinking skills will certainly make one inept. That's why psychopaths will always self destruct. Unfortunately they take a lot of people down with them๐
I understand the distinction and the need to make it, but there can be very little denying that the Jewish collective overwhelmingly supported the genocide
Maybe the Jewish Zionist collective in Israel but I've seen many Jewish people speaking out against the genocide. Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jewish.There are lots of Christian Zionists. Mike Huckabee being one of them๐คฎ He's truly a vile creature. Oh, Biden is also an avowed Zionist.
I know, but they are far from being enough to counter the general impression
Sadly true ๐
The powerful Jews in the US overwhelmingly support it and do all they can to silence and slander Jews who protest it. The forthcoming administration is so pro-Israel that criticizing Israel may be treated as bordering on treason.
I wouldn't put it past them.
My personal experience as an Israeli born raised Zionist โJewโ, is that the religion itself, Judaism, creates a superiority & supremacy status within its ideology. I felt this as a very young child which was why I distanced myself from it at a very early age & now do not affiliate with Judaism.
This is exactly my understanding- that the religion of Judaism itself, based on the Torah and Talmud, distinguishes Jews to be the superior human race while the rest of humanity are viewed as non human cattle and slaves. Never mind the horrific and disgusting things they write about Jesus and Mary in these books. How can these teachings be justified as legitimate to the rest of human society?
That's completely understandable.